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Why are these characterizations needed? Country Star Kacey Musgraves: Voting for Trump Is an Act of Violence. Olusoga has benefited from and added significantly to the work of Fryer and other historians such as James Walvin. This is a moral argument. Like I said before, tolerance is in the gift of the powerful. Youre right, MBE. Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour? There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. See, five years ago I wouldnt have written a crass comment like that, but hey, times achanging and as financially independent with some FU-money, I dont have to worry about cancellation culture, LOL. As Black British History Month draws to a close, TV historian Prof David Olusoga looks at the impact it's had - and how young people are taking it on. He is the author of the 2016 book Black and British: A Forgotten History, which was awarded both the Longman-History Today Trustees Award 2017 and the PEN Hessell-Tiltman Prize 2017. "They do not want British history to be a catalogue of heroes and victories and glorious chapters," he says. Some other buyer would have taken them if they werent shipped out, and Western (or Arab) traders were just changing the ownership and location, the sins of the slave-raiders being theirs alone to bear. Slaves were crowded in a new environment with new diseases. In the USA? I know. His choice of subject and his choice of material make that very clear. And so many hundreds of thousands of British workers were directly dependent on slavery (from sailors to those who built, rigged and repaired ships) that it was easy to turn a blind eye to the inhumanity. It's possibly a deeper change than some people realise because I don't think what we're living through is a series of political events; I think we're living through a generational shift," he says. And any reparations should be paid 50% by the African states for the areas which sold the slaves and pocketed the proceeds. At the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, Britain was granted the right to supply slaves to the Spanish colonies in the Americas, a right then passed on to the South Sea Company. Thankfully the Woke have gifted us an all purpos3e response to this sort of crap. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided, so I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either. Two men managed to escape and were rescued, but not before my great, great, grandfather was beaten, starved and worked to death, his body thrown into the jungle for the animals and insects to dispose of. 7 years was the average working lifespan so it is said. So my advice would be, for his own health, STFU. David Olusoga Historian, broadcaster and film-maker. If their ancestors had remained in Africa would they be better off than they are now? And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. But its still awful, even on a historical scale. The government has said the "flexibility within the history curriculum means that there is the opportunity for teachers to teach about BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) history across a spectrum of themes and eras" so it did "not believe it was necessary to change the curriculum". But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . "The small minority whose history had been airbrushed out of the national story recovered that history with the help of their allies and then broadcast it, spread it into our national conversation and they did that within the space of half a century. I brought up paedophilia to demonstrate that there are things not worth my time. White people will take it. And the fact youre moved to tears by discovering for the first time a great-great-great-grandmother of yours was a prostitute single-mum with seven kids or a great-x5-uncle you had never heard of was imprisoned for murder, well, your utter lack of knowledge simply reveals how little youve been influenced by them, so youre hardly discovering a new facet of yourself at all. He presents a one sided and biased picture of slavery which takes no account of the African participation in it. . But its still awful, even on a historical scale.. Like I said, as a mental exercise, if I do my best good faith effort to imagine an argument for reparations, I reckon it would concern harms committed by the state (which unlike the slave traders and owners, is still about today) and an argument that it breached some alleged fundamental/universal doctrine of law so that even the states efforts to put the slave industry on a legal footing were null and void. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. (Im just presenting the case here in reality there are obviously some big questions about the logic of Nuremberg etc, just as there are questions about how judges in Common Law occasionally summon up things as if they had always and forever been a part of the Law, albeit previously unrecorded, rather than something the judge just made up.). Shouldnt Olusoga be writing in Ubangi bantu-language? Obama had none. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. The best and brightest minds in the UK defended Stalins slavery. The race obsessed Department of Education goes to considerable lengths to distinguish Caribbeans and West Africans. It was an apt university to experiment with such developments, since Lord Scarman, who reported on the Brixton riots of 1981, was its chancellor. The following decades were taken up with popular and political rhetoric about immigration and parliamentary acts to limit blacks coming to Britain. Blacks like Mr Olusoga despite endlessly banging on about it seem to overlook the fact that they are in a minority. Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. He presented the recent series of A House Through Time on BBC 2, and Black and British: A Forgotten History. Thats what I dont like about the angle of Tims header. He was Chairman of Moneysupermarket Group from 2014 to 2019 and Senior Independent Director of Close Brothers Group plc from 2006 to 2014 and is a Past President of the Chartered Management Institute. If slavery really mattered theyd be campaigning for reparations from the blacks and arabs/moslems who were doing it long before the white man arrived in Africa and was far more devastating. They are now CM scum and couldnt care less about America. Tim may be wrong about stuff, but ..that, ultimately, makes up for his beating squirrels to death for a hobby, Tim Worstall a horrid man who is anti-minimum wage among other repugnant things Socialist News. David Olusoga In 1986 I came across the book Staying Power by the British journalist Peter Fryer. But that is not the argument I am making. So wherever the wealth came from, it wasnt just slavery (or even mainly), Olusogas an alright presenter but a class A race hustler, Edward Lud August 30, 2020 at 9:12 am We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong.. It doesnt end with the parties saying Well that was pleasantly intellectually stimulating, now lets have a nice game of cricket Youre opponents are not playing by the same rules as you are. is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on.. Would the good professor really be so different if genealogical records could prove he had African ancestors who owned African slaves? All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. Between that night at the opera and 1807, nearly 800,000 Africans were enslaved. "Equiano is the most important voice that we have from the British experience of slavery and the slave trade," he said. I think it's an astonishing achievement.". The evidence of this is that seasoned slaves, those exposed to the environment, sold for up to 50% more than new ones. And even if you personally disagree with it, what would be the strongest argument for some form of legal settlement? But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser. She had no interest in esoteric discussions of the war. We do not know enough to be sure. Later his parents separated from each other when he was just two years old. If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. Tim says there might be some truth to them for the Caribbean. As a nation, we still have only a dim understanding of the slave system that funded Sloanes collecting. 2023 BBC. Dont know if I would rule it out entirely because the demographics are different but it might need a change in the voting dynamics. Theres an argument about judging people by the standard of their times, though even in the 1500s moral and religious objections to the slave trade had been made and the rationale of crimes against humanity is that some things are so abhorrent they could never truly be legal no matter what moral code the perpetrators justified themselves with. "He was the voice of somebody who wasn't speaking about the past as a historian, but was living it. It may not. The agreement is being touted as a . Roman writers such as Pliny who chronicled or rather fabricated African life shaped perceptions of a continent populated by anthropophagi and other fantastic creatures, half-human, half-animal. "They look to history not just for inspiration and comfort, not just for heroes and for glorious chapters; they look for history expecting to find challenging stories, painful stories, dark truths, villains as well as heroes. You know, entirely ignoring lifetime effects? More than a million copies were sold in Britain cheap pirated versions reached a mass readership. No doubt life expectancy of a slave was shorter than that for a free man. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. It may have made sense for the SS to starve labourers to death. He has discovered new and exciting research materials in African archives, among them the Register of Liberated Africans in Sierra Leone, which list names, bodily details, ethnicity and origins, thus putting a human face on people otherwise treated as fodder and statistics. Thats why when the question is raised, I always point out that they owe me lots and lots of money. David Olusoga meets Janice Haber and her family, the descendents of Jewish . Needless to say they should pay us reparations for this too. Africans had a demand for female slaves. Note, hes a renowned economist. Check out the trailer for Peter Pan & Wendy, an upcoming live-action movie directed by David Lowery. BurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:07 pm Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister. No one has said we should not consider someone elses viewpoint. Definitely didnt die out with the Romans. it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them So he calls himself a Geordie. Presumably there were normal times when food was cheap that you fed your workers and didnt seek to replace them in the way Olusoga means. It isnt going to happen anyway. One of the reasons why the American and Caribbean experiences were very different. It costs money to replace them and after a famine the price of slaves would rise. It's all down to people in their 20s, those at school and in their teens, who have a relationship with history which, says Prof Olusoga, is profoundly different from that of their parents and grandparents. (and white people was pretty much the British). Nobody will stop you, honest. I cant see the point of denying it was all pretty awful. ", TV historian rejects 'nonsense' over keeping statues, What Black History Month is - and why it matters. The masses who once supported black freedom now campaigned for the Deep South. I assume these were usually killed before Europeans turned up and bought them. Video, 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat, BBC Radio 3 - Drama on 3: The Meaning of Zong, BBC Bitesize: The Zong 1781-1783 - The triangular trade, during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Fire knocks out half of Argentina's power grid, Havana Syndrome unlikely to have hostile cause - US, Starbucks illegally fired workers over union - judge. First launched in London in 1987, it aims to highlight and celebrate what black people have achieved in Britain throughout history. It is a good deed that must not go unpunished. She wasnt interested in my academic pursuit. In the system that made Sloane wealthy, black women sought out herbs, plant species that he carefully identified and categorised, and used them to induce abortions, determined as many were not to bring into the world children who would be born items of property and destined to live short, brutalised lives. They are pretty much airbrushed from history, whereas the transatlantic slave trade seems to be wall-to-wall on our TV screens and in our school textbooks. And the Domesday Book even counts slaves as a separate category below the unfree peasants (villans, bordars and cottars) those owed service to a Lord who could order them to move about and could say yes or no to their proposed marriages, but unlike slaves he didnt own them, couldnt sell them, and they had property rights to at least a smallholding. Get back to us when your sin/privilege is expunged. Theres no point pretending Europeans who profited from either the transatlantic slave trade or the use of slave labour in the Americas were somehow doing a favour to the slaves involved. No. Do I feel like I had anything to do it? Latin America for instance. Oh man. The Russians do not have these problems because they are not ashamed. The point about slave descendants in Georgia being better off than descendants of slave sellers from West Africa is reasonably strong (though look back in everyones ancestry and youre likely to find, far back enough, a mix of slaves, owners and probably traders too). Olusoga has written stand-alone history books as well as those accompanying his television series. Like I need to hand my cash to the next lass of Rus descent I see, lest she remind me of some unlucky slave-girl that may or may not have perished at the hands of my maybe-ancestors? They deliberately bought skewed mostly male gender balance. Such sources give his writing freshness, originality and compassion. It happened. Moreover its arguably unjust that only victims of still-extant states have a route to compensation whereas people from ethnic groups roughly contemporaneously massacred, enslaved and sacrificed by the Aztec Empire have nobody to sue. One person who had a huge impact on Britain was Olaudah Equiano, an enslaved man who bought his freedom and wrote compellingly about his experiences. Thats fine, BraveFart. Black and British: A Forgotten History addresses one of the greatest silences in British historiography. Equiano is also mentioned in Incomparable World, a novel by SI Martin, which was selected by Booker award-winning author Bernardine Evaristo for her Black Britain: Writing Back series. I think a case could be made. Both groups today, especially the former, could reasonably claim historic persecution has reduced their present income and wealth. If one disproves his assertions would slavery then be okay? Even discussing it gives your opponents arguments merit. You can pay all the reparation for historical slavery related wrongs, real or imaginary, you want. Like the Nigerian slavers who enslaved and sold the slaves, you mean? When the American Civil War interrupted the supply of cotton, hundreds of thousands of British workers were made destitute, dependent on soup kitchens, and the British economy was dealt a thunderous blow, all because an ocean away the forced labour of four million enslaved black Americans had been disrupted. Whitey bad, give me cash? Macmillan, 624pp, 25, David Dabydeen is a novelist, broadcaster, academic and co-editor of The Oxford Companion to Black British History (Oxford University Press), This article appears in the 16 Aug 2017 issue of the New Statesman, Trump goes nuclear, Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics. Rather the constitution banned the slave trade and so it become economically worth it to make sure slaves lived longer. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. Dr Peter Olusoga is a Senior Lecturer in Psychology. Davids all done. What has he got to say about that? Both of these need proof. That was at the least unusual, particularly from a West European perspective bearing in mind the practice of slavery had pretty much fizzled out there. In dealing with the black contribution to the First World War, for example, he cites popular gratitude and admiration for black Britons among them Walter Tull, who fought on the Western Front. A covering letter would be a courtesy but probably not a necessity. Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me).. But a group of 12 disciples of Christ set out to change things. It isnt happening now. This ignorant fellow should study historical facts, rather than believing and repeating lies and half-truths. not at all to disparage your ancestors GC. Hundreds of White women raped every day. * the legal institution and pretty much the practice Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics from the New Statesman's politics team. Read about our approach to external linking. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. A weekly newsletter helping you fit together the pieces of the global economic slowdown. History is just one awful thing after another. I am happy with Olusogo paying reparations to himself. The economics of the slave trade may have meant that it was cheaper to work someone to death rather than allowing him a comfortable old age. He updates Fryer, citing radioisotope analysis of skeletons and craniometrics, which support written documentation of Aurelian Moors guarding Hadrians Wall and settling in places such as Yorkshire. And the third, fourth, fifth, and so on. We aint paying no goddam reparations & no-ones gonna make us. Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. Quite possibly slave-raiding Gaels before that. Black and British: A Forgotten History Whether they are too stupid to think of that remains to be seen. If you are wracked with guilt, ashamed of your forebears, do it! And this of course neatly addresses MBEs arguments. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. If black lives really mattered these people would be protesting the 500 shot dead so far by predominantly black men in Chicago this year. Anglo-Saxons had slaves. Peter completed his award-winning PhD, exploring stress and coping in elite sports coaching, at Sheffield Hallam in 2012. And that still stands even if there really are a bunch of torturing murderers out there too. What is their strongest argument? Olusoga brilliantly reveals such contradictions in British society. When Olusoga recalled the experience before television cameras last year, he wept. Maybe Europeans did increase demand. and while the responsible state still exists, Theres a fundamental weakness with all theories of universal law or justice, which is that across time and space, the human conception of what is right and just seems to be extremely varied and rarely (to modern Western eyes) pleasant.. In the end, wholl be proven right about the matter practically, in terms of what the outcome is and what the first drafts of history say? MBE: The problem with the UK paying reparations is that people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes. When I met her, ~1995, I started asking her questions about the war, as I thought she was a fabulous resource of information. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history.. Fired by religious feeling, they embarked on a campaign of public education and political lobbying unprecedented in scale and revolutionary in nature. P rofessor David Olusoga is reviewing a disorientating year from a familiar place: his white-painted study, the one with the guitars hanging from its walls. My great, great, grandfather was one. 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